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An Emotional Timeline of Taylor Swift & Joe Alwyn's Relationship

Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Podcast

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Joe's Outlier

"I don't, you know he's different. Here's my my general opinion is that he is an outlier to the, to the men," she said of her ex-boyfriend Joe Jonas. "He also doesn't have any like you said charisma." She added: "If you're asking me, somebody writes a song about how great it is that you can handle somebody's life and then you're like actually I can?"

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