Sally Kohn: Going against any kind of norms is not always easy. There's no small amount of work that it takes to be able to get there. And i'd love to talk to you a little bit about what that looked like from the inside out. So could you take us through, what were some of the key events that took place that allowed you to become this person? It was hard to get a grasp on how that would affect me professionally. I went through all the magis. Of course, i jumped ahead. You know, there re parto ut parts about the interview and the resumes and connecting. But then there was that more of a conceptual thing of developing

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