Intro

In this week's episode, hosts Christina Ruffini and Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of Britain's MI6, sit down with Kajsa Ollongren, the former Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defence of the Netherlands. They discuss how the European Union is approaching security and defense policy in the era of Donald Trump and what the American president's style says about global diplomacy. They also discuss what to expect from NATO's June summit in The Hague and the ramifications of the erosion of the United States' soft power following cuts to foreign aid funds. Plus, Ollongren shares why gender diversity is important in foreign policy.

Episode produced by Situation Room Studios. Original music composed and produced by Leo Sidran.