From the moment that Roe v. Wade was overturned, the question was just how much the change would reduce abortions across the United States. Now, more than a year later, the numbers are in.

Margot Sanger-Katz, who writes about health care for The Upshot, explains why the results are not what anyone had expected.

Guest: Margot Sanger-Katz, a domestic correspondent for The New York Times.

Background reading: 

• The first estimate of births since Dobbs found that almost a quarter of women who would have gotten abortions in states that banned it carried their pregnancies to term.
• The first full-year census of U.S. abortion providers showed significant increases in abortion in states where it’s legal.

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