Am: I honestly have no idea why a design became such an important thing in my career, but i always felt like i'm a design driven founder. We've recently partnered with a great firm called madelab from vancouver a to help us a little bit. But generally, i think the germans are just really good at crafting aa premium product. They're the ones who did slack riht famously, exact that, exactly. That was one of their most famous a projects.