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Ep. 184 - SE Etc. Series - Ryan Didn't Die with Patrick and Chris

The Social-Engineer Podcast

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What I Like to Do as a Consultant Is to Help the Clients, Not Replace Them

"I think sometimes the employees might view people like us as adversaries, not advocates," he says. "When we sat with those two and talked with them and said, you know, give us some input ... they knew that we were there to help their jobs."

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