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271: Michael Shellenberger's Punk Rock Moment

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

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Is There a Difference Between Energy Security and Energy Independence?

"I have new friends, which has been one of the most positive experiences of my middle age," he says. "Technically, we have high levels of energy security, but we wouldn't quite be there on energy independence because we still have to import a lot of oil and we export a lot ofOil" He adds that if Europe had kept its nuclear plants operating or even just kind of ready, it would be in a totally different position now.

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