Amitai Etzioni: What I thought is unique about arbitrum is that your stance has always been that you're not, you're agnostic to technology. You basically want to scale Ethereum and your guys are the only project where you don't have the name of the technology in your name. So what do you need to see before you decide to pivot to say, Hey, let's do the CK thing now? And this last question is also asked by a lot of listeners. Is there any update on how you'll be able to run nodes with ZK or optimistic rollups? Etzionis: It's just easy for people to have the transparency to understand what

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