There's people use it that's beyond the eye though, as opposed to beneath the eye. And they are often uncomfortable in just the way you've indicated because we, of course, automatically, to be it is like a manipulable object and reserved for us. It sort of opens them up to rethinking how the world can be present to them. But when they realize intimacy with the third, that somehow also carries them into a recovery in almost token sense of an intimacy with the world. I think that's very important.

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