Speaker 2
think there's some general parameters like that that a lot of people have discovered, and they will continue to persist. That's just sort of the sweet spot in the markets, as it were. It's almost as if the markets are going to extract maximum-paying traders. Any strategy that capitalizes on that pain is going to continue to make money. In other words, it's back to psychology that most people are wired to do the wrong thing when they're trading the markets. That's not going to change. Are
Speaker 1
you ever going to retire? I've
Speaker 2
retired. I've pretty much retired now. But
Speaker 1
you're still trading? Yeah,
Speaker 2
just for my owner, proprietary trading. But no, I'm not holding myself out. I've withdrawn my membership, the NFA from CFTC. So I'm not trading for clients. I'm just trading my own money.
Speaker 1
But will you ever stop that? Probably.
Speaker 2
I'm getting close to that. Because even that, even what I'm doing requires that I stay engaged on a daily basis. There
Speaker 1
must be a part of you that loves it though still.
Speaker 2
Less than less shall we say. I've got enough money just to soon put it in, like I say, in an index fund and forget about it. Well
Speaker 1
listen, I've taken you all kinds of territory. We've got more than enough to do a chapter here. And I can always fill in the blanks a little bit here and there with some great articles about you. So I appreciate you giving me some flavor. And I knew consciously I did not want to take you on a linear path. I wanted to just kind of touch on all kinds of stuff. Well,
Speaker 2
I appreciate that. I was sort of apprehensive about having to go through and tell my story once again, and so on and so forth. I
Speaker 1
did good of not forcing you the same story. I enjoyed this much more than I thought I would. Oh, man, I'll take that. Well, listen, again, I've kept you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. I see a time when those awake will understand how to make money up, down and surprise markets. Whether new trader or experienced, college student or financial advisor, protecting against a crash or just trying to make a lot of money, trend filing offers everyone an answer in uncertain times. get started immediately, send me an email, michaelatcovell.com. I will send you the right trend following steps to take along with my free video. But if you want to buy and hold, trust the government and trust Wall Street, this is absolutely not for you.