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The Importance of Debt Servicing in the Corporate World
I should give a credit where it is you doing this with David Dodge was an immense privilege. He's been at the forefront of this in the 90s when we had a deficit and public finance crisis. So from my perspective, he's one of the most credible economists on this issue. Lishan Vion works with him, ran the numbers, did the modeling. I know we had an impact in government.