There's been change in the debate, no doubt about that at all. What there hasn't has been the chain mission with the policy solutions to be there. I think it's really important when you're campaigning to understand that you've got to somehow get your own big picture inside the big picture of the other people who ultimately will have their hands on the levers of power. We look at the way that China has a very, very different democratic system is sensitive to dictatorship. None of this is going to be done without the Chinese coming on board.

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