one other thing I can have is like a lot of this stuff isn't necessarily like

L2s have existed

for a little bit or so they see the idea and and they're coming into their own as a place for the launch products and so I think part of it is the shoulders actually has to become accustomed to what the new capabilities of this ecosystem offers and combining all of these different affordances and as as we've gone through the years I think UX has gotten slowly better still pretty bad but getting better over time and and L2s having faster confirmation or cheaper fees is one component I think that helps us along this chat but it's not going to be the end yeah it's not going to be the final arbiter of whether a product is successful or not so it's still going to require people to have good ideas and good executions if you're looking for specific products one thing that's really a really cool I've seen recently it's called steel cam kind of I don't think that they pitched this way but it's like an on-chain only fans where you can steal photos from people for a price and then the people were previously sold it get some some cut of that so it's an interesting some game game mechanics I don't think they again they would not describe it as an on-chain only fans but I think that's it's very well suited for that because you can have a fan base of people who are interested in purchasing your individual photos and yeah that's a really cool thing that I don't know as you they've been able to abstract some of it away there's probably a little bit of a little dash of centralization somewhere in there but it's a cool product people should check it out as I think one of them the recent things that I've seen that is enabled by things on arbitrum yes check it out steel cam try steel cam totally

I'll check it out amazing and then why are you both passionate about this let's say what what do you think the impact will be in like 10 years from now and why have you dedicated so much of your lives to solving this problem for ethereum I mean I think fundamentally if there is a coordination layer and I think we've we've seen like limits of the existing systems we have for coordinating I think we're pushing up against the limits of governments and these kinds of the existing institutions where it's like and that they're sort of like falling prey to some of their like earlier failures and it's like less easy to overlook or the look things like that I think large large tech companies it's like very very hard to have a voice as an individual against those kinds of things and to to to choose and operate differently and these systems are very opaque so like I'm really excited about this these like ideas around being able to coordinate around things and the society and completely like trustless and open way for everyone like choosing like your jurisdiction doesn't matter like who you are like what your history is like none of that matters it's just like everyone has this like like platform that doesn't like complete hypnostic to who you are what you're trying to do it's just this layer for you to coordinate plant break with other people and like build something on top of that and I think that's like a really cool exciting primitive that could lead to really interesting options for many people in different walks of life I think that's that's an exciting future

yeah