I think he doesn't mind there being collateral damage to the things he does. I just don't think they're very creative at Facebook. They got the news feed, right? And that was a while ago. But when you look at a lot of their innovations, they're copied from other people. That's great. He's trying things. The metaverse is the first time he's really gone and gotten a limb by himself on a thing that they're in the front of.

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