I do think that you can simultaneously acknowledge that we actually do need systemic change in a lot of different areas of American culture. It's not just because people are lazy or they're spending more on avocados. But at the same time, you can take personal responsibility and say, I'm going to play with the cards that I've been dealt. So how can I try to win at the game that I was dealt? That's a really hard, it's a very nuanced discussion.

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