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Are We Going to Scare the Back Doors Out?
Some projects are going to take their back doors out. Some of them are going to be kind of limiting their back doors and going to a hybrid, right? We are a backdoor exists, but there's not like one person that manages it. But the thing that everyone is dead set on is that 2023 is going to be year when, rollups really come to maturity. And I think those things are going to taking a couple of years longer for me personally than some people say they will.