Embracing Obscurity in the Church

JP: The Lord called me to ministry. And I didn't know what that meant. Five days later, the church called. It wasn't, they didn't ask me to come speak. It was like set out chairs and, and, and make peanuts,. He says he's pastoring a church of 20,000 people speaking and writing. If you have any advice in that, if you would say, hey, this is, I mean, I want to finish the race.