"You do not want to put your life when you're what your life as a special operations guy at risk for anything, like for nothing," he says. "I think we were products of their own creation during those four months in sub C,. where we had to learn how to cheat in everything." He adds: "As a leader, be really careful about the culture that you create because the byproduct of that is going to be what you're going to have to deal with"