Iman: occupy laid the groundwork for the rise of a new left in a way that the anti globalization movement a decade prior to occupy did not. In part i think the anti globilization movement was smothered by nine 11, but i also think that it was protesting the emerging contradictions of neo liberalism at the height of neo liberal legitimacy and power during two thousand eight. Do you think that's what made the left so stronger after occupi just, on some level, it's a question of before or after two thousand eight? It's such an interesting question. I mean, im i am a materialist, so i think the material, the objective conditions contribute to the state of