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Is ETFs and Benchmarks Changing the Nature of the Market?
Steve Eismann: There's a sense of whiplash as we kind of enter 2023, where we start to see some of the things that had the most excesses of 2020 and 2021 recover. But Steve's point about how this isn't a sort of one direction process and you can get these stops and starts in a paradigm shift was interesting. Joe Cirincione: You should always be skeptical about what management say. That's all I would say.