Violence, Ideology, and Community Safety

In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the political and cultural controversies surrounding JD Vance, left-wing and right-wing extremism, and the recent events that have the media and political world buzzing. They analyze the New York Times coverage, discuss the rise of armed activist groups, and break down the statistics and narratives around violence, identity, and free speech in America. Expect a thought-provoking conversation with data, personal insights, and a critical look at the narratives shaping our society.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

Today I woke up and I checked my WhatsApp and what did I see? But my, grad school class worrying about a New York Times piece that we're gonna go over. Ooh. Because the New York Times, they're freaking out. ' cause JD Vance has come out and a number of top Trump aide have come out and are like, we need to begin to crack down through law enforcement on far left terrorist organizations.

Simone Collins: Oh man, they, they kicked me out. Soon they kicked

Malcolm Collins: you out. Yeah, because they, they found out that we were in the New York Times and, and said some, I don't know, whatever thing. But anyway, they, they're very spicy. They yell at me occasionally in this thread. Crazy. But the left is like actually quaking in their boots right now because what we are seeing is finally, and I don't know why the administration did do this earlier they are using the Charlie Kirk assassination as a cover for saying we actually need to deal with left wing terrorism and left wing people are like, oh, no.[00:01:00]

We defined what was thought crimes before they get to define it. Now, this is no good. And, and when your enemy is afraid you know, that's when you know you're in the right direction.

Speaker 3: What's it thinking, Colonel?

Speaker 4: It's afraid. It's afraid!

Malcolm Collins: I knew you were gonna

Simone Collins: do that. Of course you were. Of course.

Yes. Every damn time.

Malcolm Collins: But I wanna go over a few things with this. I wanna go over what they're saying because I think taking time to understand your enemy you know, you can only you can only beat the bug if you can understand the bug, right?

Speaker 8: Will thE Brain Bug reveal? Federal scientists are working around the clock to probe its secrets. Once we understand the bug, we will defeat it.

Malcolm Collins: Well, that's also

Simone Collins: why the bugs slurped out humans', brains.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, [00:02:00] they're the, this is why they the, the, the, the bug men are doing a 20, what was it, like, a $50 million study to try to figure out what young men think. And everybody remembers this because it went viral and we never did a piece on it. But I should probably see what, what, what results they came to from all that money they spent on how to reach young men.

I agree with the,

Speaker 2: All right, so let me go through some of our positions and you stop me where you feel uncomfortable. A higher minimum wage healthcare reform.

The ball kicking machine, right? Social safety nets. Wait, could you repeat that last one? Sure. Social safety nets before that. Hmm. Oh, the ball kicking machine. I don't like the ball kicking machine. Not a fan either. Yeah. I don't like that at all. Oh, the machine we want in your house to kick your balls all the time.

Yes.

Speaker: No, that can't be [00:03:00] it.

Speaker 2: Okay, so what does our $20 million study show?

Speaker: The machine needs more boats.

Malcolm Collins: , that that's about what the people came to. But they, they try it on us too, right? Like it's important to, to understand what's going on, but I also want to take time to explore what types of groups they're talking about here, because the left pretends like.

There's no radical leftist attack groups out there right now, even though, you know, we just had literally the the trans murder cult with Z Zans that we covered in a recent episode. We had the, the mass shooting. Recently we had the at a school we had the Charlie Kirk deaths, which, if you watched our previous episode, we point out that seems like half a dozen people in the Utah trans community were aware that this was gonna happen

By the way, another I told you so here, so in the first video on the Charlie Kirk assassination, I said, I bet the assassin hasties to the trans community. Everyone is like, when the guy was first caught, they were like, [00:04:00] Malcolm, you see, you got ahead on your skis on this one. You were totally wrong.

And then it turns out it's your, or. Recent episode on this that, you know, half a dozen members of the trans community and no one else was aware of the day the assassination was going to take place, and that the guy who did the assassination was dating a trans person. And then in that video I made the second controversial claim that while I was right in my first claim, due to all the people who were aware that this was going to happen beforehand.

I was going to take the position that I do not think the person's girlfriend slash boyfriend because they were dating before they started transitioning. So that's not like an offensive thing to say that they didn't know about this and were not involved in this. And then this claim got me a bunch of, he.

You know, heat in that video. 'cause people are like, oh, Malcolm, you're being naive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, since then, the text that the person had with their so have been released and, well, obviously it's not conclusive. This could have been faked. These texts do [00:05:00] not come off as, to, to me, they come off , as pretty firm confirmation that the so did not know this was going to happen.

So to just go over them Robinson, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. And then the note that he had under his keyboard read. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. And then the roommate responded, what? With a bunch of question marks. You're joking, right?

A bunch of question marks. And then Robinson says, I am still okay my love, but I am stuck in Orum for a little while longer. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. Partner, you weren't the one who did it.

Right. Bunch of question marks Robinson. I am. I'm sorry. Partner. I thought they caught the person. Robinson. No. They grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in a similar closing. I had [00:06:00] planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that site of town got locked down.

It's quiet almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering partner. Why? Robinson, why did I do it? SO. Yeah. Robinson, I had enough of his hatred. Some of the hate can be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle and seen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again.

Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. So how long have you been planning this? Robinson, and this is the one thing that makes me doubt this conversation 'cause it's obvious from the number of people who knew about it and when they cited it, that he had been planning this for two months.

But he plans a bit over a week. I believe I can get close to it. But there was a squad card parked by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. My read here is that he's just [00:07:00] lying, I guess, about how long he had been planning it. Or he is misremembering because he didn't really care that much, like he might have.

Fantasized about it for longer and talked to people, and that's how they knew about the date and then only seriously started planning it for a couple weeks. But anyway Robinson, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got in my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I brought it back to grandpa's rifle.

I don't know if I had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. I didn't have the ability or time to bring it. Whiz. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find the prints. How the F would I explain losing it to my old man?

The only thing I left. Was the rifle wrapped in a towel? Remember how I was engraving bullets? The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices, bulge, ooo on Fox News, I might have a [00:08:00] stroke. Alright, I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing sucks. Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun goes just fine.

I don't know. I think that with a 2K scope, and then Robinson. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says Grandpa wants to know who, who was, has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it's very unique. He's calling me right now and not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard.

MAGA Robinson. I'm gonna turn myself in willingly. One of the neighbors here is the Deputy Shella. Sheriff Robinson, you are all, I worry about my love. Robinson. I'm much more worried about you Robinson. Don't talk to the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.

Now note, all of these were happening in real time as he was being caught, so this doesn't seem like something he set up beforehand. If he'd set it up beforehand, I think the him being caught and the [00:09:00] sloppiness on that front wouldn't be included. In this whole thing meant to exonerate his partner.

Malcolm Collins: and you're beginning to get this and, no, I wanna point out, you're referring to

Simone Collins: the mass shooting at the Catholic church, not the Colorado mass shooting, which took place, like at Yeah, but he didn't

Malcolm Collins: shoot anyone.

He, he failed.

Simone Collins: Well, he didn't kill anyone. He did critically injure two girls. Oh, okay. And then killed himself. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But he wasn't trained. The Colorado

Simone Collins: shooter, just to be clear, the Colorado shooter school shooter was not trans, was right wing.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

So I decided to check on this because I had remembered vaguely from my research into the politics of this particular shooter, , they're like, oh, he was on Nazi sites or extremist right wing sites and on a bunch of sites glorifying, , school attacks and. I was like, okay, I guess. But I've seen people say this for individuals who were not right wing in the past, so I should look into it.

, And I just looked into it again and it appears that he was more of a generic edge Lord, and people are categorizing edge Lord sites as extremist right [00:10:00] wing sites, as opposed to just being like somebody who is obsessed with school gun things is also going to be obsessed with. You know, sometimes like just generic gore things, which was one of the things he was into.

And, , other things that are going to shock people like Nazi forms.

I will say that this is particularly rich, given that the left is now trying to rebrand a number of West Wing terrorists, , like the bombing of the Pennsylvania Governor's Mansion and, , the Charlie Cook assassination as not actually left wing, but this new thing called nihilistic violent extremists, , where they're just like, well, they're generic nihilists.

And that's why they're doing this stuff. And I don't think this is, this is very obviously not true and it's used to, you know, break from responsibility. , But I do think that you do sometimes get people who just are pure edge lords and like edge lording and especially young men, especially young white men.

. [00:11:00] But I don't think that, that's what we're seeing in these, these left wing cases where you do see very strong ties to, , you know, actual left wing arguments that they are making. You know, as you saw in the text to his. When he was looking for his internal logic for why he killed Charlie Kirk, , he didn't say, oh, I'm just tired, was the world and everything like that. He believed that Charlie Kirk was hateful because he had been leading and listening to left wing sources that had painted him that way.

By the way, if you're wondering why nihilistic people do not do mass shootings, , a nihilism is generally associated with a lack of agency and a disinterest in acting upon the world. So if you wanted to go out, you would just go out yourself. , Whereas Edge Lording is related to trying to maximize the shock value you can get from the world, , which means that if you are going to go out, you are going to go out.

Attacking other people. , And this is why from the generic edge, Lord, you can get [00:12:00] mass violent behavior. But from nihilists it is vanishingly uncommon.

Simone Collins: And the, however, the Catholic church shooter who did kill children was trans.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Anyway, so the point here being is I, I wanna put out, I don't even know these people are trans. Like I'm, there's like this new opt-in gender identity, so I'm not even gonna lay this at the feet of the trans community. I'm gonna be like. There's a certain political class on the left that when you reach a level of extremism, you just transition because there's no other way to interact in these spaces without being a minority of some sort.

So if you're like a white man or woman, you're sort of forced, oh,

Simone Collins: kind of how Fundee Fridays they, they call themselves queer, but we have no idea what they're like divergent. They're

Malcolm Collins: very clearly married to a biologic, like a person who was born, a male, and a person who was born a female. That's who they're married to, but they call themselves queer all the time and talk about how they're oppressed for being queer all the time.

And it's like, come on man. That's, that's still in ballet right there. But I wanna go over like what these organizations are doing right now. So you can see [00:13:00] why JD Vance may want to be fighting against this. So, a group called and this was brought to my attention by somebody on our Discord, a, a group called Arm Queers.

Salt Lake City SLC is a socialist lgbtq plus organization focused on arming and training queer and trans people for quote unquote community self-defense against capitalism. Fascism and state violence, keep in mind that to them, fascism is being a Republican and wearing a red hat, right? Like they, they regularly say this type of stuff.

So even when they say fighting against, they mean against everyday like 50% of the American population. They collaborated with the Elm Fork branch of the John Brown Club to do like education programs with each other. This was the branch that had a coordinated attack on an ICE detention detention center.

Where automatic guns were fired at the detention center and a few guards were, were shot. Did not die, but yeah, you might not have heard about this. And recently they've been rabidly trying to [00:14:00] clean their social media of these shared programs that they did, but there's evidence of them that was dug up by

data Republican small R is what it's called at Data Republican. Now who. Who are these, these, these groups. Another thing that people pointed out about this group that I find particularly interesting that organized this armed attack and raid on an ice detention center, which we'll get into in a second.

Mia Ry, the, the founder and leader of armed Queers, SLC has , the seven for 17 award, which was annually recognized for achieving the UN's goals.

As it says, well, come on. We all

Simone Collins: know what the UN's goals are. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Working on the UN's objective now. No, this wasn't, this checks out. Okay.

Simone Collins: Malcolm? No. Nothing. Nothing inaccurate was awarded nothing

Malcolm Collins: inaccurate. Was that? No this was not for the organization that was arming people as has sort of been portrayed.

It was for a different organization that they won, but they run both of these organizations.

Speaker 3: Huh?

Malcolm Collins: So, what does this organization fight for? I found this particularly [00:15:00] telling the armed queers leaders made it clear that they've been inspired by the Cuban Revolutionary Revolution while over there because they went on a trip to Cuba and they're like, now we need to do what the Cuban revolutionaries did.

You know, go against like the voting public of the country in the United States right now. 'cause we are a. It's the least nominally a democracy. And that they're looking to bring the revolution back to America. They, the armed queers claim to abide by six principles. An archive of the group's membership application describes the first principle is the quote, armed and military protection of queer and trans communities.

The group also aims to achieve, quote, the end of capitalist oppression and exploitation in quote, the quote, creation of a socialist society. End quote. Trans liberation and the quote, abolition of prisons and police quote, and they think that this is what it is worth using guns and to do this is what they are training to do.

I love how they used to be all scared of like the, the right wing militia training in the woods or something. And [00:16:00] now you've got like literal. Money being funneled into these trans militia groups that are, that are in many cases being abed by US government institutions. Right? And, and, and this is why it makes sense for Trump to go out there.

And this very group was doing their training. I think it was in like 10 miles of where Charlie Kirk was shot. Now they were not involved in this. They were. Potentially like, like through the, the connection and the group ties with the group that did the raid on ice which was a very similar group in a different location, but not with a Charlie Cook shooting.

So what, what other things are they writing about, quote, when they came back from Cuba, they said, victory is ours in revolution, will come in quote. And quote, what did we bring back? The main thing we brought back was a discipline from the lifestyle of the camp Connor said, and also I brought back a real feeling of inspiration and a feeling that we have a world to win, and a feeling that victories ours and revolution will come.

I think that's the real thing that we're bringing back, is a will to affect change and a will to [00:17:00] try to support the people of Cuba and the revolution around the world. Wow. So, so keep in mind this is like their mindset. They see, they say, oh, we're fighting to protect our community from fascists, where fascists is defined as people who vote for Trump and as they regularly say, and like your mainstream conservative and capitalism, which is literally our current.

Economic system in most of the world. So Rema said the trip to Cuba was important for quote, breaking the barrier of information that the US is trying to hide from us about just how successful the revolution is and just how steadfast and passionate the Cuban people are in protecting the revolution in quote, this is, by the way, Cuba is not an awesome place to live, especially right now. It's a lot of starvation and stuff like that. And if you look at the lived experiences of people who are not being paid by the Cuban government, IE Cuban refugees they do not paint a pretty picture. Imagine going to like a North Korea and taking what all of the tour [00:18:00] guys were telling you at face value.

That is basically what they did. But with Cuba and being like, oh, those North Korean refugees, their lived experience doesn't matter because their in league was the capitalists. They, they didn't run through mine fields to get out, you know? But anyway, thoughts before I go further, Simone?

Simone Collins: No, please tell me more.

I mean, so I, I, I also wanna make sure, because I'm most curious about. The moral arguments of protecting free speech. And I, I feel so conflicted around, I, I, I want there to be open discourse. Also, I think it's really important that we have open discourse. 'cause you kind of wanna know when people have these things that are talking about these things, like if this goes underground more or offline, more.

People are gonna be less aware of, of radicalization as a problem and less able to detect it. And so I do feel really conflicted about efforts to combat this or how they're executed. And I'm [00:19:00] curious to get your thoughts on how, I mean, one, the, this, this is proposed to be dealt with, but also how you would deal with it.

Malcolm Collins: We will get to that.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: What I can say is I definitely wouldn't spend the government dollars on training an organization that plans to kill half of Americans. You know, they believe they have a moral license to kill. 50, more than 50% of the American population. Here's another quote from them. Quote, we are sharing this brigade, not just other American brigade does, but brisas from around the world, from South Africa, from Ghana, from Latin American countries, from Austria and, and from Germany.

Remi said, and essentially this will was an intentional brigade where they wanted baristas, was a revolutionary orientation. It was revolutionary politics to come and learn about the human revolution and essentially have to fight against the blockade that our country, as American representatives on this trip was fully responsible for.

So basically fight against the US government. Okay. Now I wanted to learn more about this ice raid because I hadn't heard of this, which again, shows just how much [00:20:00] stuff goes under the radar.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Like the, the school shooting where nobody died, that happened on the same day of Charlie Kirk that you were talking about.

That was like a Republican extremist guy. Yeah. Actually I should look into that because I always say that they're Republican extremists and then you read their manifesto and they often aren't. Like I, when I was doing stuff, I said the Christchurch Mosque shooter was a white nationalist, which. He was an antinatalists.

He, he said he was killing Muslims simply because Muslims had more kids. This is what he wrote in his manifesto. Yeah. Not because he was a great replacement series. I mean, I see how if you're a reporter brain you would go there, but this is, you know what, anyway on July 4th, 2025, around 11:00 PM a group of about a dozen assailants dressed in black military style clothing, ambush the.

Prairie Land Detention Center, an ice contracted facility in Alvarado, Texas. They set off fireworks at the destruction vandalized vehicles and open fire with AR style rifles. Oh my gosh. They fired 20 to 30 rounds at unarmed correctional officers outside the facility and shot a responding Alvaro Police officer injuring him in the neck.

He, he survived though. So [00:21:00] one, thank God, the, these were like recently converted young MAGA people, like the Charlie Kirk shooter. But they were going out there with the intention of killing unarmed individuals who were working at this facility and unarmed police officer, oh my God, just reporting to violence.

They, they really do, when they say they want a world without police or prisons, they mean we want to kill policing. In in anyone who works in, in, you know, a big government services. Around 17 people were arrested and charged with federal and state crimes, including the attempted murder of federal officers, terrorism, firearms, offenses, and, and the assault.

So, 17 individuals were involved in this raid, the FBI described it as they targeted ambush on immigration enforcement. In January, 2023, armed queers, SLC announced and co-hosted a workshop titled, protecting People's Movements, the Rise in Community Defense with this other group the Perpetrators on July 4th, 2025, shooting at per detention center.

We're not random outsiders. So I, I asked in AI because I was like, were these like random people who were just like signed up or were they like [00:22:00] core movements operation?

Speaker 3: Right.

Malcolm Collins: Core active members of Elm Fork, gb, I mean JBGC at the time of their movement of the 17 arrested, charged with crimes like attempted murder, terrorism, and assault, most had documented ties to the group, including leadership roles.

In protests and training Benjamin Hana Hill or Benjamin Song, a former US Marine Reservist song was a prominent member who led armed counter protests for Elm Fork, including at drag shows and abortion rights events. He was sued in 2023 as a group member for alleged. Threats during a protest reportedly trained others.

In far left tactics. Song described as leading the ambush group of about 10 to 12 assassins or, or assailants. Other suspects, several others, including John Philip Thomas and Leite Reed Sharp charged his accessories, had belonged to Elm Fork. JBC reports indicate almost. All of the dozen core attackers had ties whiz or long histories wiz protests, both organized by the group and at BLM [00:23:00] events.

They were involved in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now I also thought it was funny to just go into a bit more of how this armed queer group thinks, because I think they're board, what, what are these people who are training to kill other Americans in quote unquote their defense, which they think.

Y you know, anything that involves taking down half of Americans is included in their defense. Quote, you wouldn't find a single barista that did not support Palestine everywhere you would see support for Palestine, and that goes for the CU Cuban country as a whole.

So I thought that, first of all, very interesting here. The support of Palestine. I, I've never really got, like, I really wanna understand these people. Do they not think that people of Palestine don't wanna kill them? Like, do they like not, I, I think that

Simone Collins: I, Malcolm I really don't think they're thinking about the people of Palestine.

I mean, aside from like a very sort of abstract, like honestly the, the vibe I'm getting is the noble, savage vibe. I, I don't know what else to say.

Malcolm Collins: They think [00:24:00] that they can, like civilize them or something, which is what we would historically call cultural genocide. It's, they want to erase all of their cultural norms which is not a, a, a great thing to do generally speaking, but I hear you.

But here is just,

Simone Collins: yeah, it just feels really, the way that they talk about them feels really dehumanizing and infantalizing. I know that some, some people who are activists actually do get to know real people in Palestine on the ground, and. I'm not referring to them, but when I hear about general people, they're not really talking about stuff happening there.

That's real. I don't know. I don't know what to say.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah,

Simone Collins: go on. Right.

Malcolm Collins: So. Then I had this thought to myself where I'm like, well, you know, anti-trans violence is real, right? Like, should they not be arming themselves to protect the trans community from violent crimes? Right. I was like, this is like a, a real potential thing.

And then I had unfortunately, a very naughty [00:25:00] follow up thought, which is, wait a second, but is it. I should probably just run the numbers to check. All right, so there's a lot of groups that check how many trans and non-binary people are killed violently every year. So I go to an ai, I'll sort of walk you through my revelation on this because it gets progressively worse as it gets deeper.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. And I was

Malcolm Collins: like, okay, calculate the rates that the orgs are saying number of trans people died versus the gen pop of violent murders. Okay. And this is trans and non-binary people. So, you know, a, a wide net hero, right. To calculate the rates, I'll use the midpoint of 31. Transgender and gender expansive people killed in the US for 2024 due to fatal violence based on the 30 to 32 range from advocacy tracking for the transgender population, you have around 1.6% of the US transgender and non-binary, the, the US population.

So that's approximately 340.1 million people in 2024 which equates to 5.44 million transgender individuals. [00:26:00] Now the transgender homicide rate that would mean that the transgender homicide rate is around 0.57 per hundred thousand trans individuals. The average American homicide rate is five.

What Wait individuals. That means the transgender community and non-binary community has a homicide rate that is 11.4% the average American.

Simone Collins: That is wild.

Malcolm Collins: Hold on. I was like, okay, this can't be right. I must be under, under doing the numbers here. Right? Like right. Because I mean,

Simone Collins: people who are trans end up going into sex work.

They have a lot of mental issues. Like I would expect them. I, I mean even, even I, and you too, I imagine would expect a higher.

Malcolm Collins: I expected to hire. So then I decided to go, you know what? I'm gonna go through every major trans reporting organization. So these are these organizations that are reporting this.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So we got the human rights campaign, the HRC.

Speaker 3: [00:27:00] Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: They had a reported death of 32 in 2024. So that would mean that the trans homicide rate was 0.59, which was the number we got above. And so, about 8.5 x. Lower than the human rights campaign we get for 2023, maybe 2024 was a fluke.

They have 36. That point submit 0.66. So 13.2% of the gen pop which is about 7.6 x lower. Okay. Then we have. Every town for gun safety, they had 33. That puts 'em at 0.61 12.2% of the gen pop, 8.2 x lower. Then you have Statistica, which had 29 0 0.53. This is for, for 2024 which put them at 10.6% of the gen pop are about 9.4 x lower.

So you have about 10 times the rate of being killed if you're not trans violently. But then it gets worse. It gets so much worse because I started to read the fine print in these statistics as they were being reported.

Simone Collins: Okay?

Malcolm Collins: The big one that jumped out at me was across [00:28:00] reports. Black trans women comprise around 50% of US victims, okay?

Simone Collins: Among trans homicide victims,

Malcolm Collins: around trans people who are killed violently. This isn't just homicide. This is killed in crimes. This is killed in bad drug traits. Okay? So if you're

Simone Collins: trans

Malcolm Collins: homicide.

Simone Collins: The, the, the black male to female trans group is getting most

Malcolm Collins: heat around the ones who are killed violently.

Okay. Now, do you understand why that's a big problem for these numbers?

Simone Collins: No, I don't. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So off the top of your head, how, how big do you think is the black trans woman portion of the entire trans community?

Simone Collins: Pretty freaking small.

Malcolm Collins: 4.3%. Oh, wow. Oh, oh. So what does that mean if you are not a trans black woman?

Oh, your homicide rate is in the trans community. Oh, dear. Astoundingly low. You [00:29:00] might as well be wearing an invincibility shield wherever you go. You might be the most privileged group in the entire United States in regarding violence. Gosh, we will get into those numbers in just a second. What, but I wanna go over some other uncomfortable questions that I immediately had here.

I was like, oh, well how, how much is it just because, you know, all of these trans people who have the guns were like, we wanna fight BLM and everything like that. How much of trans violence is just. Black people you know, they're much more conservative cultural group. 78.6% of the trans black women who were killed, were killed by black people which is actually lower than gen pop.

If you're a black person and you're gonna be violently murdered, there is a 90% chance that a black person will do it to you. So, yeah, not awesome. None of this looks good. None, none of this looks good. Okay, so I had it recalculate some of the numbers here. If you do the human rights campaign number, you're now looking at a number that is 15.6 x lower than the gen pop.

If you, if you do the statistical number, you're now looking at a number [00:30:00] that is 19.2 x lower than the gen pop.

Simone Collins: Good lord, no.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that was not, I, I, I, some, I love it when I run into like statistics and I'm just like, I did not expect that at all. But it, I guess it makes sense when you consider that even though they earn less, they are.

In very sort of privileged community environments and that that can help protect them from violence. They're much more likely to live in group houses. They're much more likely to be constantly surrounded by other individuals which may put them in a, a safer position than your average American.

That, that can be my only guess.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I am trying to work out in my head what is so protective about this be a

Malcolm Collins: whole other episode. Why, why are they so, why is the, the trends,

Simone Collins: invincibility shield explained?

Malcolm Collins: But now we're gonna go into a New York Times piece.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: That was titled Some of the Highest Ranking Officials in the Federal Government used [00:31:00] Charlie Kirk's podcast, guests hosted by Vice President JD Vance, to lay out their plans.

Okay. And to just jump right into this. White House officials, senior advisor Steven Miller, described the left as a vast domestic Oh, oh. This isn't from the piece, this is from just general stuff. The White House is saying before we get to the piece.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Senior Advisor Steven Miller, described the left as a quote, vast domestic terror movement.

In quote, it emphasized the need to combat, quote, the Leftwing extremism and terrorism that we're seeing within our country today. End quote. The White House has promised to broad a crackdown on unquote terrorist leftwing organizations. And I'll note here, I, I do not like him saying the entire left is a vast terrorist organization because I think that that is.

Exactly mirroring the language that the left is using. Totally. Fortunately, if you look at the statistics and you're like, see the right does this as well. The number of right wingers who are willing to say that somebody should be killed because of their political beliefs is dramatically lower than the number of left wingers.

We went over this [00:32:00] in a previous episode, but the number of left-wingers who think that you, you know, you have a right to assassinate the president was over 50%. Hmm. And there was a really interesting post that looked at this. After assassinations on both sides. So you can see how after the, the Nancy Pelosi thing and after the Charlie Kirk thing, so you could see how it shifts based on whether or not you're thinking, like Oke said, is your side

god. JD Vance said that there's a quote unquote vast domestic terrorist network, which there is. I mean, we just documented it right here. So to continue with what the New York Times is saying here

oh, by the way, any thoughts that you have before I go further,

Simone Collins: I'm, I'm still reeling from the trans homicide data, so I, I, I'm, I'm stunned here. I wanna see what the US government's gonna do.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And if you're like, well, the 1.6 number is too high. Even if the number was only half the 1.6 number, which is below almost any estimate of trans and non-binary individual, I've seen their rates would still be dramatically [00:33:00] lower.

Especially if you don't include the, the black women. So you can't even say like, I was fudging the numbers with the 1.6 number.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So, or you can't say I was choosing Republican sources 'cause these are trans organizations that are cataloging these.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Skipping in a bit into the article to get past the boring stuff, the White House and President Trump's allies suggest that he was part of a coordinated movement that was fermenting violence against conservatives.

See our last episode on how did so many trans people know that the Shirley Kirk was gonna be killed on the 10th? Because he was, it's very clear, a lot of people seem to be aware of this beforehand. There were groups that he referenced on his bullet casing saying before he was caught, Hey guys, make sure you're using encrypted stuff.

Yes, I'm talking about that. You know what I'm talking about.

So clearly there is, and, and now the FBI is actually going after these groups. It'd be cool if we see a, a crackdown on this.

Simone Collins: I'm really curious to see what's gonna happen. I'm. 48% confident that nothing will happen, but we'll see

Malcolm Collins: without Pres pre.

And then they [00:34:00] note here, when they talk about this vast network, they say, without presenting evidence that such a network existed, America has seen a wave of violence across the political spectrum targeting Democrats and Republicans. And here I point out. Look at our podcast episode from yesterday. We bring receipts.

This is a real thing that is happening and we even just in this podcast discussed a group that is part of a network training individuals in the use of guns to fight against capitalism around the United States. That is doing things like raids on ISIS centers, where they are shooting like 30, 40 rounds of, of automatic weapons.

Simone Collins: Ice, not isis.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, ice,

Simone Collins: ice. Big difference.

Malcolm Collins: I'm thinking, I'm thinking they're ISIS there. That's, that's who their friends are. They need to go, go join isis. Right? To see how well that goes. On Monday, two senior administration officials who spoke anonymously to describe the internal planning said that cabinet secretaries and federal department heads were working to identify organizations that funded or supported violence against conservatives.

The goal they said was to [00:35:00] categorize left wing activity that led to violence's domestic terrorism. Note here, I wanna be like, this is the most reasonable thing possible. They're not saying left-wing activity more broadly. They're saying left-wing activity that led to acts of violence, which we know is a thing.

So let's crack down on it. Why, why are you protected from this? And we are not like you do this to right wingers every single administration, I mean. You would literally do it to like mainstream. You would like get Google to like demonetize, like Sargon, who's like pretty milk toast in his views. It's not like extremist Republicans you're doing this to.

It is UK centrist. Which is, which is, very not that strong of a Republican juice. But the, the dictatorial level, which they implemented this, and then it's like, how can he slap when, when our side is like, Hey, we should, you know, after one of our advocates gets killed. No, not an active politician.

Note, [00:36:00] not like out there doing anything that's actually hurting people, just having debates with people in college campuses and people will lie about the things he said to try to make him look racist or xenophobic. Really the only thing he was was anti-gay for religious reasons and anti-trans for religious reasons.

Which I mean, he's allowed to have his religion. Like what the, that's just bigotry to say he's not allowed to have his religion. And every other quote that you'll find from him, I don't have time to go through and debunk them all. Just go to an AI if you think you have heard a quote that makes him look really bad and ask what the context was.

Because every time you'll learn that either it's just a complete fabrication or the context completely explains it. Yeah, that's a wild

Simone Collins: thing.

Malcolm Collins: JD Vance talked about the, in the Nation or something, this main publication. They post this horrible thing about how he's so racist and he says that black women just don't have.

The IQ to hold positions of power. And then if you go to the actual quote, what he said was because of DEI programs people who do not have the intellectual capacity for certain roles are being put in those roles. He did not at all say black women don't have the capacity [00:37:00] for these roles. He's saying, and everybody knows this, it's the very point of DEI programs is to put less qualified people into positions.

Of more authority than they're able to achieve if they were solely judged on their merit with the understanding that their merit is being artificially, like negatively impacted based on their environment, even though their entire life they have had a DEI advantage, right? So you don't, you know, but the point here being you, you, you go to his stuff because somebody was like, he is not mainstream boomer conservative.

If you think that it's because you have been manipulated into what his actual views were. His actual views are, are not that extreme. But anyway an escalation that critics say could lay the ground words for crushing anti-conservative descent More broadly, some of the highest ranking officials of the federal government used Mr.

Kirk's podcast, the Charlie Kirk Show to lay out their plans from his official office at the White House Vice President JD Vance served as a guest host. Of the podcast inviting senior members of the administration, including Steven Miller, the president's top policy advisor, to [00:38:00] praise Mr. Kirk, while also detailing their plans to crack down on what they called leftist non-governmental organizations.

The show was broadcast on the television screens in the White House Briefing room and in several West Wing offices. In their comments, Mr. Vance and Mr. Miller spoke in vague and menacing terms about the far left groups that they said facilitated violence. What I love here is they, they, they're, they're like.

People will talk about the right being fascist all the time, right? At least they use vague, but menacing terms, right? Miller said that a formal effort would be coming with federal agencies, rooting out what he referred to as a domestic terror movement, which definitely exists. We, we, we've detailed it today and, and, and yesterday and they would be doing it in Kirk's name.

Miller says, with God is my witness. We are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, eliminate, and destroy this network and make America safe again for the American people. That's so vague.

Simone Collins: What does that mean?

Malcolm Collins: What does it mean we're [00:39:00] going to like I was shocked when I heard, because on yesterday's episode we pointed out this like. Group of half a dozen trans people that said Charlie Kirk was going to be shoot shot on the tents in, in very documented posts and songs and stuff like that. No, I will say here, one of them was a cisgendered male in the group.

Only one of them was they documented cisgender male. And the one documented cisgender male used to go by they them pronouns. So, they were definitely in the community. But the point here being is and again, I'm saying. Not all trans people, right? Like there's a variety of trans expressions, but we need to be aware that there is like the Zian trans murder cults out there now.

And we do need to, and as I pointed out, the Zans have now have a higher kill count than the Manson family. Like if you're comparing it with like what you think historically. Oh, the reason I think it's really important to note that char Charlie Kirk was just an activist. Like he was not a, politician is because if you're talking about just activists, like [00:40:00] almost nobody shoots these people. And the last time this happened was MLK that, that I'm aware of which is like really severe when you're getting to, you know, free speech activists being killed by people who don't want, you know, free speech happening in this country.

Now to continue here. I'm gonna skip a little bit of, of this because you, you get the idea. One of the things I thought was pretty interesting is how they wanna go about this. Yeah. I wanna hear the specifics. Yeah. Well, the core thing that they appeared to want to do is more doxing, but anyway, I was surprised that they were gonna do is basically finding these individuals and doxing them and having them face legal repercussions.

Okay. And I think more broadly, using government resources to docs individuals, which are. Pushing for violence. And note here, like when the Trump administration is talking about pushing for violence, like the, the, or the examples they're giving are people who are actually pushing for violence. Now obviously the, the riskier is the left takes this, and then the left redefines violence is anything that makes them [00:41:00] uncomfortable.

And you have pointed out that this is a risk, right? But the problem is, is you're like, what if the left takes these systems and then uses them with their own definitions? And it's like the left is already doing that. Every time they come into power they demonetize, right? Wingers, they get them fired from their jobs, from milk toast, taste.

Say, we've seen this over we for COVID, right? Saying, Hey. You know, the, the CEO, the person who's sitting next in line to be CEO of Levi being like, Hey this closing down of schools in minority neighborhoods is disproportionately hurting minority students. We shouldn't be doing this. Yeah. And she had to resign, right?

Like destroying people's lives for, for what our you know, in reflection, very accurate takes that even support what left-wing people say is their agenda.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Do you have thoughts? Oh, I, I like this one as well because we were talking about sort of like transa, this, this faction here.

Speaker 3: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: In responding to Fox News report [00:42:00] to Catherine, a Abaza senior video producer for Media Watchdog Media Matters tweeted the new Rightwing Paranoid Delusion just dropped.

But it's like a thing that we're seeing. I don't understand. It's not a delusion, right? Like remember when they pretended, didn't they pretend that Antifa wasn't real for a while? Is this just me? Yeah, they did pretend that for a while. I think you're right. They called Antifa a conspiracy theory and now they're like, not even, you know?

But

Simone Collins: yeah, someone just DMed us on X and they were like, I wish people would talk more about trans A, because I was punched in the face by one at a protest. 'cause I had a school sign that said. Something like, keep the cult out of my school.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, well this happens constantly. Riley Gaines was assaulted by one.

Yeah, but it's like,

Simone Collins: the problem is I'd love to talk more about it, but I don't know where to get the documentation because again, no one, oh, I listed the

Malcolm Collins: documentation for this episode. I was gonna do an episode on trans tifa. Yeah. The reason we don't have the documentation is it's too decentralized.

This thing is just

Simone Collins: people reporting on the ground about what's happening then, because [00:43:00] the mainstream media isn't covering this in any systematic way.

Malcolm Collins: And so, so Trans Tifa is just Antifa. What trans Tifa is, is people who are in sort of communist factions of Antifa which is all of Antifa. So, so Antifa, like this broader culture begin to feel uncomfortable being in the organization while being a white male.

And so they transition. That's, that's what I think we're seeing here. I don't even think it's a real trans movement. And, and I. Personally think the real trans community would do well to publicly disavow this stuff and, and be like, you know, the, the, we need to work and, and you need to police your own communities first, right?

Like, we regularly talk about against like, racist on our show, right? Like, it's something that they should be doing more of themselves because these people are out there like assaulting women and stuff like that. And instead of being jeered. By the left wing influences, they're being cheered.

Speaker 3: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So, so that's the problem is it is it's just regular Antifa has way more [00:44:00] trans people in it now.

Not, I think, due to an influx of trans people in Antifa, but an understanding that the reason why people are in Antifa, that gives them a psychological license to attempt to kill or assault 50% of the US population. And they get the additional psychological license when they go to the. They're killing us by not recognizing our gender identity.

Again, if you wanna see this, it's just factually not true. A trans, an Atlantic article did a piece on this where they looked at the Trans Supreme Court case, having to admit in front of the Supreme Court, and that when they blocked purity blockers in the UK on arriving, rates didn't go up.

It is not the case. It's just a fake, fake information. But it is used to dehumanize others and it's very effective. So I think it just gives them sort of double jeopardy, which makes them extra Antifa.

Simone Collins: That makes sense. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You, you wanna hear more about armed queers? They, they held defense they held defense with Stonewall self-defense, a group which provides jayo jitsu, MMA, and focuses on queer trans comrades.

What is. Instagram page since the group's manager is Sebastian [00:45:00] Livingston, who was chair of the ecosocialist Commission for the Socialist Party. UUSA Stonewall Self-Defense recently held a training event, was convicted felon Eric King. Join us in welcoming Eric King. They say former political prisoner and world, world-class amateur boxer to stonewall self-defense.

For a weekend of radical self-defense, Eric King has dedicated his life to fighting for freer world, Stonewall Defense said in June. Quote, what

Simone Collins: is jio Jitsu? Do I need to look this up?

Malcolm Collins: I, I guess if you want to, I don't know what it is,

Simone Collins: GIO.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. A Anyway so what was this guy charged with? So, no, this isn't something he did after working with the group.

This was something he did before working with the group. Okay. So they knew he had done this when they invited him over. Right. King was charged in 2014 for attempting to fire bomb a congressional office in Kansas City. Oh, good lord. He was a hammer to break a window and. Threw [00:46:00] a Molotov cocktail into the office of Representative Emmanuel Quiver ii.

King pleaded guilty in 2016 using explosive materials to commit arson. And so he even admits this and was sentenced to a decade in prison. He was released from prison in 2023. A a a from Unicorn Riot, A Self. This is according to Unicorn Riot, a self-defense a tax exempt media outlet. While behind bars.

So wrote, this guy tried to murder a congressman with a Molotov cocktail in a horrible way. And he's working with like this network of organizations that is training the. Basically Tifa to use assault weapons. While behind bars. King wrote a book called, titled Antifa in Prison with Radical Paper Press, describing king as a vegan anarch, anarchist and political prisoner.

He's not a political prisoner. He tried to murder an innocent person. What are you talking about? I love

Simone Collins: that you, you, you try to fire bomb elected officials office, and then you call yourself a [00:47:00] political person.

Malcolm Collins: That's, yeah. I'm a political creator. I'm really, I only, I, I, I, I guess the, the, the, the people who try to assassinate a president, they're political prisoners.

Simone Collins: Firebombing is just political expression.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. King also helped put together and Rand. And edited the book, rattling the Cages, oral Histories of the North American political prisoners was a forward written by Angela Davis, the former Vice presidential candidate at the Communist Party. USA King describes himself as an activist and anti-fascist.

Again, no, they think you are a fascist. If you've watched this show to this point, without turning it off, you are probably under the fascist category in these people's minds because you are fascist, curious enough to be educated in the same way that like what was it? The, the, how dare you girl?

Simone Collins: Oh, Greta Thunberg.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. How she refused to even watch the promotional videos that were put out by you know, the very people who did the, the attacks on Israel. She's like, I don't know. I won't watch their videos. And I don't wanna see anything they've done.

I just have one moral for that [00:48:00] could, that could taint me. I might, I might start agreeing with you or sympathizing with you. You know, Davis after her arrest and acquittal for her involvement in the murder committed by Black Panthers is currently a distinguished Professor Emirati oh wow. Wait.

So Davis, Angela Davis, this other woman she was arrested for her involvement in the murder committed by the Black Panthers, and she's currently a distinguished professor Ada at the history of Consciousness and Feminist studies department at the University of California Santa Cruz.

Simone Collins: Oh dear. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: If you wanna get some of the stuff they're saying about Israel, no pride in apartheid armed queer said on Facebook 2023 As the attacks against occupied Palestine continue at the hands of Israel and the United States.

Queer, trans and feminist organizations around the world have overwhelmingly come out in solidarity, was the Palestinian trouble and have rejected pinkwashing tactics that use our name for colonial efforts. I don't know if you like, you know, I use the, the scene here,

Speaker 6: it is symbolic [00:49:00] of our struggle against oppression. Symbolic of his struggle against reality.

What would happen to a gay couple in Gaza?

Executed according to Islamic law. Islam doesn't endorse gays. Islam doesn't endorse homosexuality. Just like Canada doesn't endorse a lot of things. So would you like to see Sharia law in Canada replace Canadian law? At some point, it will. You know, Because we are, we have families, we are making babies, you're not your population is going down the slum, right?

And by 2060, according to Pew Research Institute, your research, by 2060, Muslims will be the biggest religious group the world over. What are you going to do then? Are you going to oppose Sharia even then? Well, You know what? I'm very appreciative of the honesty. We don't usually get that. One day we can have a Muslim majority nation here in Canada.

Right In your face!

But this like actually really gets me because they, they cheer for, Charlie Kirk's death and they say the reason they're cheering for it is because a bunch of views that the very people [00:50:00] who they're freaking out, that they're dying in Gaza also hold. Why is it a problem for a Christian to hold these views, but not a problem for a Muslim to hold these views?

Just the inconsistency here baffles me.

Malcolm Collins: You know, because that's, that's you know, the, these groups are not shy in what they think about. I think it's that the, the, these gay communities just so dehumanized, the Palestinian people, they see them so much as just like little. Idiot, half child, half savages, that they are not responsible for their own beliefs.

In the same way that like an American Christian is responsible for their own beliefs. Yeah. Or, or their own actions. Yeah. You know, they can go out and do whatever they want. It doesn't matter if they do whatever they want because they are not the same type of thing. A human, like, that's the only real like, psychological thing I can get from them is they don't believe that these people are responsible for their own stated beliefs and preferences.

Simone Collins: Yeah. They treat them like children.

Malcolm Collins: Which is [00:51:00] ironically much more racist than the other side. Anyway, thoughts, Simone, on all this that's happening,

Simone Collins: I mean, what would you do? My, my biggest concern here is that this is while the people involved on the right are looking for practical solutions to end political violence and maximize public discourse.

But I fear will happen is that people will advocate for, and in some cases implement policies that are really just more about suppressing political speech functionally, which, if codified in law or policy will then be used by the left next time they're in office or in the majority to stifle political speech on the right.

And I don't like, I really, I appreciate the point that you made yesterday. That there are more underlying issues that need to be addressed that are causing this, like allowing culturally for people to believe that something [00:52:00] is murder and therefore they're justified in killing someone who does that thing.

So if, if words are murder or violence, then you are justified in committing murder or violence against someone who uses words you don't like.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and I think defining words as murder or violence when they don't. Cause violence or murder is equivalent to murder or violence because once you draw this equivalence, once you see that Charlie Kirk's assassination came downstream of this belief, you understand how virulently you need to fight against anybody who states this belief.

Simone Collins: Well, any where I struggle with this is, I mean, okay, are you going to apply the same reasoning though to something like someone who would bomb an abortion clinic in a way that kills people? Because they believe that those people are committing murder. And here you have people with differing definitions of truth.

No, it's not

Malcolm Collins: incurable at all. Okay. I disagree with the people who say that life begins at conception. Okay. Yeah. I disagree with them. But their world [00:53:00] philosophy is internally logically consistent. Right. But I

Simone Collins: think a trans person's world philosophy by that argument is because if, if I will die because someone is, is suppressing my ability to transition, then you are committing murder.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, the point I'm making here, and this is an important point, if trans people who were not transitioning were dying at a way higher rate. Okay. Mm-hmm. If we did see a jump in un alives in the UK when they banned puberty blockers, so you're saying the

Simone Collins: difference with this trans belief is that it's provably wrong, whereas with the belief that life begins, a conception isn't provably wrong.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. They're, they're, they're were, they're, they're basing their belief on something that is provably not true. Mm-hmm. That, that is the difference between these two groups. Right. The other group's belief is downstream of their religious metaphysical framework, and it's not like a metaphysical [00:54:00] framework they made up to justify their belief.

It's one that people have had for like half a century. Mm-hmm. It's, it's one that many people in early American history would've had. It is not a like a, a, a, like, I, I dis again, I disagree with it. I do not think it's something they should be doing. I do not understand how something was out. Neural tissue can have a soul.

Like I just don't, it doesn't make a lick of sense to me. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me that if. It embryos did have a soul that human identical twins could exist because that's when an embryo splits after that would mean that the soul is splitting, and we don't think that that happens. So then in installment happens later for some embryos, that doesn't make sense to me.

And then human kymera share a soul. That's when two fertilized embryos combine later into one person. That that doesn't make sense. Like why would God allow all of that if, if they did have souls? I can look at that and just be like, I disagree with it, but it doesn't disprove their position, right? Mm-hmm.

It's, it's a different in perspective in many ways they are [00:55:00] more justified in just being like, well, you making me feel uncomfortable is equivalent to murdering me. I mean, obviously no one historically believed this, and this is something they made up just to, to justify themselves, but at least it's like a metaphysical framework instead of something that's factually untrue.

Simone Collins: I think maybe a historically equivalent would be dueling people would. Essentially intend to kill people and, and challenge them, put them in a situation where they were obligated to engage in an activity that could kill them if they felt insulted by them. That, I mean, that was done, you know, like I'm, I'm just saying this isn't unprecedented and what I'm interested in is non-partisan solutions that address the underlying problems which seem to be downstream of a loss of touch with reality and things that matter.

Speaker 6: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression. Symbolic of his struggle against reality.

Simone Collins: Like with dueling, like, it was so stupid that people would be like, you've questioned my honor, [00:56:00] like, dude, just grow a pair of balls and show that you're honorable and you don't have to like, kill someone to show that you, you know, like that, that's stupid, but

Malcolm Collins: that's a cultural difference, right? Like this is well, right.

Simone Collins: But I mean, transness is a cultural difference. I just, I, I want, I want a future of pluralism where you're not like, we're gonna exterminate this culture because they're wrong. But, but

Malcolm Collins: Simone, what you're missing is. You are in dueling does not impose a culture on another group for a dual to happen.

Both parties needed to consent. That's true. So that's true. Both parties are part of the culture. Had to Yeah. They

Simone Collins: both had to engage in the delusion. Yeah. Yeah. Like yeah, I guess dueling would be like only if only trans people. Shot each other for misgendering each other.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. If, if that is where it went, if only trans people could be fired for misgendering, that's different.

Yeah. But they're implying their culture to people who do not share their cultural practices.

Simone Collins: Mm. Well, but people bombing abortion clinics are applying their culture to people, which [00:57:00]

Malcolm Collins: they, but their culture says that that clinic is killing, you know, I know thousands of babies a day. I

Simone Collins: Right. And trans culture is believing.

'Cause also they, they don't, they don't leave your dad as legitimate. I'll explain this for

Malcolm Collins: you. What if a group of progressives

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Decided that they were going to start exposing babies? And there was a baby exposure clinic. Mm-hmm. And from your cultural f because they'd say, look, babies aren't fully narrowly developed.

Yeah. They're not a full human yet. They'd use many of the same arguments that people use around abortion and then say, we're gonna expose them. Mm-hmm. Would you be justified in murdering the people who ran that clinic because it's their cultural framework?

Simone Collins: I know, and I mean, I think it, it's one of those Luigi man Jani issues, right.

Where like. People take the justice into their own hands and they're gonna get punished for it. But it may be worth it. You wouldn't be.

Malcolm Collins: So, so this might [00:58:00] be surprising to some Christians. I mean, like, wait, I, as a Christian am not supposed to interfere with a clinic that's exposing babies. And I'm like, how do we know that?

Well, because we know our early Christian fathers when Christianity was spreading, you can look at our video. Was Christianity really more moral? The dominant practice around the Christian community at the time was exposure of unwanted infants. Well,

Simone Collins: that whole thing about the rise in Christianity was because Christians didn't practice exposure.

Right. But they didn't

Malcolm Collins: force their beliefs around Oh, that's true. Own exposure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On pagan families.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And if they had felt that way, we would have reports of it, because that would've really freaked out the Romans if, if all they did, for example, was rescue the abandoned babies. The Romans would freak out about that because we saw how much the Romans freaked out about the Jews doing this.

We talk about Tuss complaining about how the Jews are so evil because they don't even expose their babies. I, I always love that one if you do or if you don't. When Christians come to power, the Jews kill babies. That's the blood libel myth. And, [00:59:00] and when, when the Romans are in power, the Jews are evil because they don't kill babies.

And you're aware

Simone Collins: that a bunch of people are convinced that Mossad was somehow behind the Charlie Kirk assassination.

Malcolm Collins: What

Simone Collins: I know,

Malcolm Collins: I, Charlie Kirk was wildly pro-ISIS. Israel. I know.

Simone Collins: I'm just telling you what

Malcolm Collins: people are. I hate to say it. It's always moad. It's always moad. Charlie Kirk dying is a huge loss to Israel because not every right wing influencer is fanatically pro-Israel.

Many right-wing influencers. Candace Owens, for example, are anti-Israel wiping out one of the mainstream US right wing influencers who is a really strong pro-Israel force and was young, so would be alive for a long time and likely grow in influence. Was would mossad's, not idiots. Okay, guys. Like you, you, I, they pull off the pager thing.

They pull off the look. I'm not saying like if Candace Owens died and somebody was like, Masad did it. I'd [01:00:00] be like, I will explore.

Simone Collins: Well, and also even with Epstein, you were like, I, I'm not gonna say it wasn't Mossad like Yeah. It is not like you're, yeah. I'm not

Malcolm Collins: against saying it's Mossad when Mossad has an interest in something.

Yeah. Yeah. Charlie Kirk was not Mossad. And people have been like, oh, I know it's goes against a narrative, but, I think it was one of Charlie of Kirk's guards, and I'm like, what are you talking about? Nothing could go against the narrative more for progressives, at least than that. It was somebody who was a trans partner and that was connected to a wide trans network of influencers, right?

Like, that, that seems way worse for the narrative than, than Mossad or, or, or the, well, Mossad would be worse for the narrative, but, but the, the, one of his guards did it. And, and also keep in mind. This guy, like basically admitted to this, was in Discord. Now, like all of his friends on Discord thought he would've done something like this, and he previously was like, oh, maga, up until college, you think you're gonna get some like bright eyed, bushy tail, like [01:01:00] Mormon boy and convince him to throw away his life on this.

For some like psyop operation, I, I don't think so.

Simone Collins: The argument is that. Mosad in the past has used four chan to radicalize people politically, and that now it uses trans discord servers. Anyway, though, that's, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just telling you what I wouldn't

Malcolm Collins: do. Sometimes it's just this is against mossad's interests.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I can't see how it helps him, but whatever. Anyway.

Malcolm Collins: All right, love you did esmo.

Simone Collins: I love you too, Malcolm,

Miss

Malcolm Collins: anything. You know, I, I only get like the positive emotions from like one, like, I think it takes like 10 positive comments to make one mean comment. Oh, of course. Yeah. Because there was a mean comment this morning and I just, I just blew my gas. And especially when they're just like wrong. Like, they're like, you guys know nothing of what you're talking to the shooter of, the whatever assassin guy he was a, a far right activist. And I was like, I can't believe Charlie Robinson to like, argue about [01:02:00] this and be like, what are you, how are you this goon in, in the head?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like if your parents are ex no people in the comments of, of the video that're in today on.

All the trans people associated with the Charlie Kirk assassination pointed that out. They're like all these people who think that if you're raised by Republicans, you are going to be a Republican. Have never heard of like the preacher's daughter trope. Well

Malcolm Collins: statistically you are eight out of 10 probability you're a Republican if you're raised Republican.

Nine out. Yeah, I guess maybe

Simone Collins: I just see that so it's preposterous 'cause consider the political affiliation of my parents.

Malcolm Collins: Well consider my mom. You're the one out wanted to, well, you're the one out of 10 raised Democrats who go Republican. But I think your parents are Republicans now. I would not be surprised if they vote Trump.

Simone Collins: Come on. My mom wanted to to away. No, your away. Mom. I'm think your dad now,

Malcolm Collins: is your dad still a Democrat?

Simone Collins: I'm pretty sure he is. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Move to Texas. Those Texans are not gonna be happy about that.

Simone Collins: I don't think he tells anyone about it, but he's said a bunch of things that make me think he's still. [01:03:00] Very much a Democrat.

Malcolm Collins: But the point being is, yeah, I, you know, he had a higher probability, but he got into the education system. His parents didn't give him proper inoculation, I assume. You know, and this is the big problem with Mormon families is they don't give their kids enough sexual education. And so it provides a giant Oh no.

And so then they,

Simone Collins: yeah, when they like actually look into sex, they can end up going in crazy directions.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because there's like a huge hole in their brain about like arousal and pornography and fetishes and, and they're like, well, you wouldn't be aroused by X unless you were possessed by a demon. And it's like, well, I'm not possessed by a demon, so this falls into like dumb stuff and I'm gonna, yeah.

I I, I, I do not agree with the Mormon relationship with, I, I think like it makes you very, very, very at risk of having your kids cooked if you're like super anti-sex and porn. If anything, I argue, I mean,

Simone Collins: I think there's a lot of things that we would've. Agree with, like you don't need to build your entire life and identity around your arousal pathways.

Agree. But then agree [01:04:00] also be like, don't live in ignorance of arousal pathways and how they work and how human sexuality works. 'cause that's also gonna land you in a lot of trouble. So living fear of something, you still

Malcolm Collins: letting it control your life, you know, if

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

Malcolm Collins: It's, it's, it's just have discipline, you know, like the, the Randy Marsh thing.

Wrong. Well, yeah. They're taking

Simone Collins: the wrong approach to arousal too. Like I think our approach with arousal is like the dune approach to fear. Fear is the mind killer. You let it pass through you and only you are left. Right. That is arousal. Yeah. It's whereas like Mormons are like, no, the Mormons don't let.

The arousal pass through them and they don't let themselves, they just, instead, they're like, no, I shield. And then like, no, it destroy, it destroys them. You can't pretend it's not there. You can't turn. Well, it doesn't destroy

Malcolm Collins: all it off, off like a light switch kids at more risk.

Simone Collins: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, especially during that extra horny like teenage time period, like, oh my God.

If you had told me, if you told me today for a while,

Simone Collins: I think it worked because it got young couples to get married real [01:05:00] fast. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: It doesn't hap doesn't happen anymore. Yeah.

Simone Collins: I mean, it still does happen, but you know, just, I think there are many more damaging pathways it leads to.

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Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 13: sounds so bad now, right? Yeah. Well,

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