Dan Rivers: I think a lot of people grapple with how to balance being true to what they care about, and also true maybe to their nature as stubborn tenacious. And you're kind of a poster child, he says, for somebody who's grappled with that balance. He wonders if there is more like this little core part of personality or desire which has been a tough nut to crack. Rivers: Maybe it's mostly fun for my wife because she wins every single time.

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