Kendara's kind of he rejects the idea that we should like knock books and stories for relying too much on coincidence. He talks about the way that we make meaning in life with a musical metaphor using motifs. When i when i encounter that thing it makes me feel something important or big i are like hmm now do you have any of those like songs that like i'm thinking songs because that's because of the music motif but like that? We'll be back next week to talk about his new book, The Book Thief.