Krishna says, nathra samsaya. How do we know? A lot of people are very convinced about many things. Krishna will tell you. The world is Heya Divya Brahma. I've said this again and again. In the Swami who told me this, Pranavacaya Teniji heya, to be discarded. No, not to be discarded, to see God everywhere. That's the purpose of the world. We don't see the world as in that way. First stage, discard the world. Sorrelful, miserable. It's a veil of sorrow. Second stage, no. Third stage would be, it's not about