The Herroshum Magic

"I'm not sure which you can tell by how I treat women, but mostly this is natural. It's a physical, yeah," he says. "We had a babysitter growing up with a hole in our heart and so we always thought like, okay, if we're bad enough, she's going to croak right here." He adds that feeling ashamed of shameful things is not bad. Not really. Shame helps us do better.