I just knont that we should be feeding that idea, that that psychlogiahous safety is a legitimate idea. I have a three part test to see if you're a publisher. Do you pay for the content you've promoted? You produce it? If you do two or more of those, you're defacto a publisher. They pay a lot of money for jorogan. They promote the heck out of him. While they don't produce it in advance by picking the guests, they do have a production like veto on what content they put out there. And i believe spotify is the producer. Nobody would argue that.

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