The Challenge of Selling OpenShift

I sold OpenShift for, for a while and the problem that I see with these, these products is just the reality of something at that scale. It's very hard to do land and expand with something like that. You know, Corey Quinn likes to say no developer can spend more than $50. No practitioner can go and buy OpenShift. Like it's such a big thing that that happens at a very high level of procurement. Because it's only even reasonable if you're adopting it relatively broadly, right? Yeah.