"There's not, again, there's not a lot of intellectual curiosity about any of the edge cases," he says. "People like Ezra Klein and Cassestine are sort of deeply incurious about establishing those epistemological boundaries." He adds that if you're skeptical of something early enough, you're going to be deemed a conspiracy theorist. 'It still only works as a way to just maintain kind of a status quo understanding of how power is currently operating'

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