Atetane: We've been trying for 30 years to have legally binding targets and caps, and they haven't happened. Lobbying and the power of money has prevented having tight enough rules and regulations. So we'regoing to abolish capitalism, but you'e gong to have to win the argument for abolishing capitalism. The alternative is public ownership of the means of production, afd, distribution, exchange. And we know that when that was applied in eastern europe and russia, the environmental impacts of that were far, far worse than the impacts of capitalis we ge are talking about.

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