12. Derren Brown — Magic, Happiness, and Skepticism
The Michael Shermer Show
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Is Everything in the Right Place?
I think I was frustrating the kind of TV producer people that I work with for not having any particular ambition or any need to do it. So then I got off of this TV thing and of course that seemed a fun, lovely thing to do, but it was not a thing I ever tried to get. We did one show and then that sort of took off. It's another one that sort of built on from there. And I'm doing a broad, off-world show now, not because I have any desire to conquer America, which is a thing, sort of English performance,. But just because it seemed to be fun to live out in New York for a bit as I'm
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