We tend to think huristically, or we look it the world is a google map version of the real mapa. And when you're trying to sit down and say, ok, i'm really going to give it to this... You almost can't get away from the fact that you're dealing with your a poor, less than accurate interpretation of that person's argument. If you're not engaging in a conversation, if it's not an actual, i say this, then you say this, i'm you're going to end up straw manning. Daniel dinet advocates a using it's called rapepors rules, where the first thing you have to do is verify that you understand

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