Sense-making in modern human performance

Most people think performance is about more reps, more data, more tech, or more intensity. But according to human performance educator Rob Wilson, the truth is far more uncomfortable: most elite performers don’t actually understand their own bodies, identities, or inner signals—and it’s costing them years of longevity, clarity, and resilience.

In this powerful conversation, Mark Divine and Rob Wilson break down the real keys to performance longevity, emotional resilience, identity beyond your job title, and why self-awareness is the most underrated skill in elite sport, tactical teams, and everyday life.

From breathwork, interoception, and spinal health… to transitions out of high-status careers… to the hidden dangers of burnout and tech dependency… this episode explores the deep work behind staying healthy, powerful, and fully human in a high-performance world.

If you’re an athlete, coach, operator, or leader who wants to sustain excellence without breaking your body, mind, or identity—this conversation will shift how you train, lead, and live.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

1. Why high performers must become “problem seekers,” not just problem solvers

2. How to become the observer of your own training instead of a consumer of metrics

3. Why tech overload is weakening self-awareness and decision-making

4. How breathwork and spinal health unlock long-term resilience

5. Why identity collapse affects elite operators and athletes after transition

6. How emotional intelligence amplifies performance and protects mental health

7. What it really takes to prevent burnout and injury in high-stress environments

8. Why ancient mind-body practices still outperform the newest fitness tech

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Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Current Focus

00:26 Health Monitoring Technology Debate

01:02 Welcome to the Mark Divine Show

01:31 Rob Wilson's Background and Achievements

02:52 Challenges of Transitioning from Military Life

07:21 The Importance of Pre-Resilience Training

13:04 The Role of Education in Strength and Conditioning

21:48 Breath Control and Interoception

34:02 Understanding Contextual Shifts in Health and Longevity

34:39 Injury and Burnout in High-Performance Environments

35:27 The Complex System of Human Stress Load

36:48 Emotional and Mental Health in Elite Performers

44:20 The Importance of Empathy and Emotional Regulation

48:34 Meditation and Breath Work for Integrated Health

55:18 Writing and Publishing Insights

01:04:21 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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