i think we're being called into by being shown that the current way has got a limited shelf life. It's just not going to keep working. And because of that, this an we can unpack and unfold what it is to be the kinds of beings that we are - which i believe is very mysterious. We can fold our nature more and more,. and more, and more and more, endlessly. I don't want to see this is, this is an ult this is an alternative like this is an answer," he says.

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