The pandamic has torn the united states apart politically. It's just a symptom of an underlying problem, he says. But it could be it actually just helped create it, and created such a viceral thing that doesn't have a common parallel. If it hadn't come along, wouldn't have this level of,. to my mind, bizarro, a expression of self through, through political views of something that's public health? I'm old enough to remember the vianam war, which was incredibly devisive in this country, incredibly devisive. So these things happen.