The Goldilocks Moment

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I just hope that we have the wisdom to kind of Enjoy the moment, you know figure it out implement it. There is there is no shortage of Change or exciting applications for people to develop right now Uh, I just don't want to see Anybody Go that next Quantum leap up and and pull out an AI scientist You know, and by the way, it wouldn't be one AI scientist. It would be an infinitely copyable, you know, paralizable AI scientists people get excited about That's a good note of caution Yeah, I think that's a good wrap up for your gpt4 Experience and also some some hinting at what's to come with uh with future guests

In this episode, hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg delve into the exciting and concerning aspects of GPT4, the latest large multimodal model from OpenAI. Nathan, who was a Red Teamer for GPT4, shares his experience working with the model, using it for real-life scenarios, and how he found it to be human-level rather than human-like intelligence. Nathan also highlights some of its fundamental weaknesses and limitations and shares the most concerning elements of GPT4. They end the episode pondering the arrival of GPT5 and whether we are in AI's "goldilocks moment."

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Timestamps for E11: Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg of The Cognitive Revolution Podcast

(0:00) Preview of Nathan on this episode

(1:13) Upstream: Erik's new interview show

(1:41) Intro

(5:40) Nathan's experience as a GPT4 Red Teamer

(11:22) Catching the AI wave

(14:30) Using GPT4 for real-life scenarios

(17:33) Sponsor: Omneky

(21:00) Human-level, not human-like intelligence

(26:00) GPT4 weaknesses

(28:14) More real-life use cases for GPT4

(35:25) Teaching AI to communicate within itself

(40:25) GPT4’s limitations

(44:32) Nathan's learnings from using GPT4

(46:56) Nathan joining the Red Team

(47:29) The most concerning thing about GPT4

(1:05:42) GPT5

(1:06:42) Open AI's regulatory breadcrumbs

(1:13:52) AI's goldilocks moment

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