Yeah,

I think it's like very underrated to build a nice business for yourself that that doesn't have like a ton of VC funding. Like you don't have to go big or I kind of go home. Yeah. I have a good lifestyle. Yeah. I just, yeah, I've been, that's probably another episode. So,

like building businesses, but I think building a business, like when you're picking a business, a business picture, you, because the business comes with things out of the box that you probably can't control. If you start an agency, you'd have to have clients, you have to have contracts, you have to have like project-based work. Like that comes out of the box. So, don't pick an agency if you don't want to do that stuff. If you want to do other things, if you want to do a tutorial company, the way I've done it, you can pick it's a one to many situation, you can charge a lifetime if you want to. Like you can do all of these things. There's nothing that is like, there's nothing that comes out of the box of the type of businesses I build that I'm not happy with. I'll only build a business if I'm happy with what comes in that box because it has to shoot how I want to live my life. So that's kind of how it just happens. And it's this is the second time this happened and we had a small round of funding for Makefair. We haven't had any funding for Ben Spites and yeah, it's doing much, much better. And who knows where it goes from here. Awesome, Ben. So I guess pretty

obvious, but we're gonna be able to go find the tutorials and go learn more about you.

Yeah, you can sign up for free on BenSpikes.com. We've got about 30% of our content is just freely accessible. And then on Twitter or X as it is now with Ben Tossall. Great

thanks so much this is a super practical very honest conversation and yeah cool.