A lot of times we think, okay, if we get as many different kinds of people in the room together that that's the best way for us to have to get diverse perspective. And yet, like we sometimes don't think about like the cultural like how we show up and then of course I'm thinking my wife is a university professor. She also has a podcast and she had a guest on recently that was a woman of color talking about the also some of the problematic things that come with panels and committees. You inevitably get asked to be on every committee because well intended organizations want to have diversity on every committee but there's a lot of baggage that comes with it.

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