Is There a Better Than and a Less Than?

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Sally Kohn: I wonder if it's whether people often find it so challenging is that not frequently, the person or group that you find yourself in conflict with, you may also feel is doing a very real and current harm to you. It raises this issue of what has often been called emotional labor these days. She says there are times when you shouldn't have to do that work; "It's not physically or emotionally wise to do that" The author ended her book by saying she wished she could show up more often as the person she was on those three days - open, curious, able to be surprised.

Life today can feel like wall-to-wall conflict. And most of us, well, we plain hate the feeling it gives us. Thing is, some conflict is not only good, but necessary and important. While other conflict, high conflict, is pretty much a road to othering, isolation, and devastation. Question is, how do you know the difference? And once you do, how do you step into good conflict with more grace and ease, that both helps you breathe, but also leads to a genuine resolution that leaves everyone better for it?

My guest today, Amanda Ripley, offers her wise counsel as a New York Times bestselling author, investigative journalist, and co-founder of Good Conflict, a conflict meditation business. Her most recent book, High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped and How We Get Out, explores the complexities of high conflict through storytelling and interviews featuring a dozen people in three countries who escaped destructive conflicts to gather lessons for the rest of us in our polarized world.

If you've grappled with high-stakes conflict before or wondered how we've all ended up in such a divided state, you'll discover a lot in this episode that'll hopefully help you see the bigger picture.

You can find Amanda at: Website

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