Puten's Ultimate Goals

Natasha Coontz: It's hard to find people who have a nuanced and a even handed approach to this crisis, but mat dus has been one of those wonderful voices. We are excited talk to him, and w will do that now. He is burney sanders, a foreign policy adviser for the Russian government. Natacha: I mean, you know, it's hard to say what puten's ultimate goals are i mean, he laid them out himself in a speech ahead of this invasion. And then who knows what, what's next?