Why should we avoid dividing Europe into “Western,” “Central,” and “Eastern,” and instead speak of Europe as a whole? What is Ukraine’s struggle bringing to the European idea? What is it like for a British intellectual to visit Ukraine during the war? Why must Europe regain its strength and power? Volodymyr Yermolenko, Ukrainian philosopher and chief editor of UkraineWorld.org, speaks to Timothy Garton Ash, a British historian, the author of eleven books on politics and the ‘history of the present.’ Timothy Garton Ash is a Professor of European Studies in the University of Oxford, Isaiah Berlin Professorial Fellow at St Antony’s College, Oxford, and a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Thinking in Dark Times is a podcast series by UkraineWorld. This series seeks to make Ukraine and the current war a focal point of our common reflection about the world’s present, past, and future. We try to see the light through and despite the current darkness. UkraineWorld is brought to you by Internews Ukraine, one of the largest Ukrainian media NGOs. Support us at patreon.com/ukraineworld