Welcome to a new episode of Business Lunch! In this episode, Roland Frasier and Ryan Deiss tackle the controversial topic of 'shadow standards' in the workplace. They explore the ethics and implications of employees outsourcing their own jobs to other workers, often in other countries, without their employers' knowledge. The discussion touches on the legal, ethical, and practical ramifications of this growing trend and offers insights into how both employees and employers can navigate this complex landscape.
Highlights:
"Employees are outsourcing their jobs, effectively becoming mini-agencies themselves."
"Is it deceptive if you wouldn’t proudly announce what you’re doing?"
"Good employers will always support efficiency and innovative ideas."
"Outsourcing your job without transparency is setting yourself up for liability."
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:12 - The Great Resignation and Quiet Quitting
02:49 - Ethical Dilemma: Outsourcing Personal Jobs
05:30 - Employer Perspective on Shadow Standards
08:49 - Legal and Security Implications
12:19 - Hypocrisy and Exploitation in Shadow Work
14:41 - Building a Team Ethically and Transparently
18:35 - Crucial Policies and Handbook Updates
20:31 - Encouraging Transparent Efficiency
23:02 - The Problem with Shadow Work
24:37 - The Value of High-Level Employees
30:55 - Conclusion and Takeaways
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