Bus Over Rail

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The big, the big benefit of bus over rail is that you don't have to build tracks. It's a lot cheaper a from a capital costs perspective. But it's more expensive on the operation side because there are more drivers involved. Even with these o more on demand type systems, with shut s or via type services, even ina inamini van,. they're still going to one aggregation of passengers to make this make financial sense.

Transit advocates have made autonomous vehicles something of a boogeyman lately, framing the emerging technology as a way to perpetuate the car's mobility monopoly and starve public transit of funding. In reality, transit is one of the most compelling applications and automation is a huge opportunity to dramatically improve public transit. To help explain this opportunity, Nathaniel Horadam of the Center for Transportation and the Environment joins the show to discuss a light-rail style automated bus rapid transit project he's been working on, and the automated transit opportunity more broadly.