Cora: I genuinely don't think that there really is a place in the market for types of learning that help you grow as a person and help you kind of like explore and play. Channing: If there's not going to be a clear benefit from a economic standpoint, it's hard to justify paying for a course. Andy Hackers: How does somebody make money selling cohort based courses? They try to do over newsletters or on YouTube or even on podcasts.