This is Jocko Podcast number 376 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willing. Also joining us tonight, JP to know. If you don't know who JP is, he was the lead sniper and point man in Tasking to Bruiser. He was an urban warfare instructor when we worked together at the training command for the West Coast SEAL teams. And now we work together at our leadership consulting company, which is called echelonfront.