The Chimp Paradox of Rugby Casual

You can see a blatant Red Card as a casual fan. It is then kind of gray areas where the game is eating itself. I listened to a podcast with you and Chris Williams Williams. William Sim will not be happy? Oh no. And I'll just go based on the social media and we were chatting about it before the podcast. Fucking smart guy. No one in the podcasting space doesn't think about going on Rogan. We all hope.