The Importance of Being a Witness to the Meeting

Paul Keating had no briefing on this issue. He didn't know what was coming. But he had this, look, it's more than instinct. By then, he had such a robust policy framework in his head that he himself was capable of bringing some pretty sophisticated analysis to the topic. And so when they arrived, he asked me to step in to really just be a witness to the meeting. I was blown away. They were both furious and devastated these two, the two CEOs, when they left the room.