I love that erican, and i don't know if you've looked at our, we did talk about my web sight learning leader show dot com. The curiosity aspect of it is so huge to me. There's nothing worse than when somebody says, well, that's just the way we've always done things,. And so i actually, just prior to us recording, read this piece by a go named james altoser about bad leaders and what are their characteristics. I can only speak from his own personal experience, because i don't study leadership broadly.

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