The speaker shares their challenges with disconnecting from their work, the difficulty of turning off their thoughts about the subject matter, the concern of becoming desensitized, and mentions the guest's book, podcast, and show acknowledgements.
“I’m really fascinated always by the ways in which people just have to do really boring parts of running a crime organization … I love the banalities of this stuff. We have a fictionalized version of crime groups and it’s obviously glamorous, and they’re really smart, but there’s a lot of stuff that’s bumbling incompetence as well or just quite unglamorous.”