The Rise of Developer Backgrounds

Today a bigger majority of them have developer backgrounds and they did you know 10 years ago 15 years ago, right? I mean when I first started doing nobody had it now. Back then application security just meant pen testing That's what application security meant, right? And now that we've come along and now we've got application security product security DevSecOps You name it now all of a sudden we've got a lot more people that now require even pen testing companies to test their software. If you have never done code you don't understand how spring works how agile works how devOps worksHow the objective of actually a software Product is actually going fast to production if you marry up that philosophy with