"I think it's in fact just, you know, actually the case that all people matter," he says. "If I'm in the middle of a conversation and I'm trying to like immediately respond as somebody sort of throws an example in my face, I'm not going to find the way to synthesize it." He adds: "It isn't about yanking things toward what I really want to steep down in my heart versus what the other party really wants to steep down?"

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